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Ore-sama wrote:Also it's been confirmed that the starters' final evos will have exclusive Z-moves (shame I won't try them though... oh welll there's always YouTube for that).
Thanks Youtube for showing them to me (since I won't be able to see them in game after all), also... "El Gatástico" Z-move... looks awfully familiar... as if I've seen it ages ago... oh right... It's Megaton Press.

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"El Gatástico" seems to be eager to push its luck in Street Fighter auditions in a not so far future.
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Hugo Andore must be the first person to ever chose Litten as his starter it seems.

Other than that... Two new Ultra Beasts... one of them being strangely similar to KH's Parasite Cage...
...and the Diglett line that for some bizarre reason gained Steel typing after growing some hair (I don't get it... Is that hair made of gold or what?), I wonder if they boosted their deffences to the point it can actually gain some benefit out of its new dual typing though...
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The main site references the people of Alola seeing Alolan Dugtrio as an incarnation of the god of the land, this and the golden color of the hair suggests the design takes some inspiration from the phenomenon called "Pele's hair." https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pele%27s_hair

The Alolan Dugtrio lore even references the bad luck/divine punishment traditionally believed to occur if one takes certain things from the Hawaiian islands and how tourists are known to return such things out of guilt or the belief they have been cursed.
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Yep... I totally see the resemblance there...

Now let's get back to being serious, shall we.

Okay... But that doesn't explain why it's Steel type, if what you claim is actually true (then again I have no solid reason to refute that) then Derglett (they managed to make Diglett look even sillier than usual... and not in a good/funny way precisely) and Fabiolan Dugtrio should be either Ground/Rock or Ground/Fire... Since Pele's hair is made of igneous rocks (basalt if my memory recalls correctly).
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So far, the reviews are all sounding pretty positive and that the game improves on the series as a whole.
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Kaijin wrote:Okay... But that doesn't explain why it's Steel type, if what you claim is actually true (then again I have no solid reason to refute that) then Derglett (they managed to make Diglett look even sillier than usual... and not in a good/funny way precisely) and Fabiolan Dugtrio should be either Ground/Rock or Ground/Fire... Since Pele's hair is made of igneous rocks (basalt if my memory recalls correctly).
True, but while the appearance of the hairs and the local culture associated with them are based on Pele's hair, what they're made of seems to have gone in another direction, as the site describes the hairs as metallic whiskers used for enhanced senses to help Diglett and Dugtrio avoid danger in volcanic environments.

Why specifically they made the whiskers metallic I can't guess, but they are the reason it gets to be part Steel type.
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So... They're part Steel type because of...Yes.
What a sound, convenient and convincing reasoning you're offering us there Game Freak...¬¬

I know that Steel types are not precisely the most common thing in Pokéverse, but at the very least they could try a little in order to find a reason to include them ^^U
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Played the demo, and I have to say, the game is a lot more polished. Animations are better, movement felt better (doesn't feel like you are on a grid anymore), battles seemed more flashy and fluid. Team Skull is adorably bad, I laughed at their attempts at being mean, haha..

I don't know, the game just feels better in general. I love the whole island theme, it feels refreshing and new. It had a hook that Pokémon X didn't have ,that's for sure. Felt more like it was in the Pokémon Black realm (of fun factor) this time. A friend is returning the favor of me buying them WOFF, so looks like I'll be getting Sun version tomorrow though. :)

(Tried Yokai Watch 2 demo also, got bored before I walked out the door. Very boring game (imho). Definitely not my type of game. The youkai are so UGLY. I'm spoiled with Touhou youkai.aha..I really can't see what the big deal of it is, I guess because it's more of a darker catch/battle game.)
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Cant wait to get Moon tomorrow and see if all this hype(that I'm swimming in) will be worth it. I truly hope since what I've been seeing(and avoiding) is making the two games look like they'll be the new Gold and Silver.
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I would be getting it tomarrow, but a friend of mine accidently dropped a clue indicating I may be getting Moon for my Birthday.
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http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2016- ... on-version

Pokemon Stars, the 3rd version of the Gen 7 games, will be coming to the Nintendo Switch, and will be compatible with Pokemon Bank for all three games.
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Loving Sun, and especially the new Pikipek so far. :) I'm not worried about all the competitive stuff, I have Heroes of the Storm and Overwatch for that, but I'm loving the adventure.

The new girl Lillie is an odd one, I'm wondering if she has some kind of dark lonely past or maybe even a Pokémon herself. She seems to act really strange and is disconnected from people; she only seems to care about that weird cosmic Pokémon that she sticks with. Even the new rival is great, he's a fun cheerful kid that reminds me that friendly competition can actually be fun...

As for Nintendo Switch, nah. After 3 failed consoles in a row (Gamecube..lol..Gambecube. Wii never had enough consoles {and by time I got one at Babbages they were done with it} or games, Wii U Nintendo themselves admitted failed) I've given up on Nintendo consoles in general. I'll stick to their 3DS though, paid enough for the damn thing...twice. Nintendo is doing an amazing job living off of their glory days though. (NES Retro, LOL!!!!! it's so popular)
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Sun and Moon get officially released in Europe tomorrow (thanks Italian media for inducing an eternal grudge against Europe on both Nintendo AND Game Freak) and the first thing I see is that my idea of porting a starter to S/M to act as my starter is downright out of the question... since Pokémon Bank will not be compatible with Gen VII until January

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...And now I'm forced to choose one of the starters despite that I've yet to know which one of them I dislike the least.

First we have Junaiper (I'll stick with that since Decidueye is way harder to pronounce for a non native)...

-He's disappointingly slow (70 base speed only?)
-On the other hand it has high attack, special attack and (oddly enough) special defense.
-Visually wise it's the best of the three hands down (what usually happens with Water starters it happened to Grass this time around).
-It lacks the HP and defense to surive a Knock Off (I told you guys... I bloody told you) and the speed to prevent that from happening.
-While its hidden ability seems pretty nice... is the worst of the starter trio hands down.

Next we have "El Gatástico".

-Out of the three it has the worst design (it would be okay for a DLC costume for Zangief though).
-Its typing is really good though, with plenty of resistances and one immunity.
-Statswise... it's pretty meh... Other than its attack it has no remarkable strong point.
-Its hidden ability might seem "meh" but it's really good as Intimidate is a blessing against Fighting, Ground and Rock (since its most damaging moves tend to be physical), sadly for Water... not so much.
-It can't learn Knock Off... Despite being a Dark type AND a physical attacker (why must I stick with "Sue me Capcom Lariat" when I can have a potential 130 BP attack?).

And finally... the seal.

-Its design is...quite disappointing (meh at best).
-Statswise is a glass cannon and really slow to top it off, but that Special Attack stat kinda makes up for it (assuming it lives long enough to put it to good use that is)...
-Its typing is extremely good.
-Its hidden ability can potentially be really amazing (90 BP Water type Hyper Voice? Sign me in).
-Its movepool coverage is surprisingly good (it can learn moves like Psychic, Shadow Ball and Energy Ball).

It should be way easier to pick one, I'm having even more trouble than when I had to choose one in Sinnoh but for the polar opposite reasons. ^^U

.P.S.: Please someone tell me that you can remove the main character's hat in this game, if not I'll start with the guy.
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Yes, you can change the character's apperance.
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Well... Nice to know, as with the exception of that cow udder on her head the female MC actually has a really nice design.

As for the other issue... I should either start looking for a random number generator for my choice or let my trainer id card number (assuming Sun and Moon still have those around) to pick my starter (1-3 for Junaiper, 4-6 for "El Gatástico" (with salt and blasphemies loud enough to be heard in the next neighbourhood to boot), 7-9 for "Mana the trappy seal" and 0 to do the same check with the second to last number instead).
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Sounds indeed like a random number generator would be best. Albeit can Primarina be called a glass cannon when it has 116 Special Defense? Although I guess its below average Defense mitigates that.

But given you do like Decidueye's looks the most then why not go with it? Its weaknesses won't matter as much in-game thanks to how the trainers there will usually not even have full teams, let alone ones designed to take down the widest range of pokemon possible (at least until you get to the battle facilities).
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Albeit can Primarina be called a glass cannon when it has 116 Special Defense?
With only 80 HP and 74 Defense it pretty much deserves to be called glass cannon (even resisted moves like Flare Blitz or Close Combat would be enough to make it tremble of sheer panic).

As for "Ollie" (nice name for a pokémon that seems to be a fusion between Olcadan and Green Arrow), there are plenty of reasons to NOT go with it though.

-It's disappointingly slow (thus it's unable to succesfully perform as a sweeper, even if it's EV trained in Speed).
-It's typing is bad even for main game (as Alola seems choke full of Dark types).
-It can learn Nasty Plot... yet it's unable to take full advantage of it (as its movepool is completely physical).
-In order to get it you must endure a 33 level torture (Grass/Flying is a suicidal combo).

Its only strong points are its looks, that there are not good enough Grass types in Alola to overshadow it (Sceptile had Cacturne, Breloom and Cradily to compete with it, Torterra had Roserade and Serperior had Lilligant and Whimsicott) and that it can learn Sucker Punch (which much to my surprise "El Gatástico" is unable to learn... despite being fitting for a Heel type character and is better than most of its Dark type moves).

But if RNGesus tells me "Go Ollie" then I'll go with Ollie.
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EDIT: F*** RNGesus... I'll be joining Team Rowlett starting tomorrow (one heck of a downpour prevented me from going to buy the game...^^U).
Why? Golisopod and Salazzle.

The first is a powerhouse with an amazing typing (Bug/Water is a surprisingly solid combination) and with a solid stat distribution (sadly its HP is way too low though)... Not to mention the buff Game Freak gave to Leech Life! 80 friggin' BP! Holy Cow... are they for real? That would even make Ariados (almost) viable.
And the second is Gen VII's Heliolisk pretty much... but with an awesome typing (despite that x4 weakness to ground) and an ability that could potentially be broken.

It's gonna be a pain to get them since Wimpod has a crappy BST (it's Alolan Magikarp pretty much) and Salazzle is the new Vespiquen (trying to find a female modest Salandit will make me really salty)... But I hope it will end up being worthy...
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Kaijin wrote:The first is a powerhouse with an amazing typing (Bug/Water is a surprisingly solid combination) and with a solid stat distribution (sadly its HP is way too low though)... Not to mention the buff Game Freak gave to Leech Life! 80 friggin' BP! Holy Cow... are they for real? That would even make Ariados (almost) viable.
Let me just say Golisopod is a joy to use, First Impression is incredibly satisfying. The first Wimpod you find in game is also a static encounter so its easy to soft reset for a good nature.

I spent the extra time though to breed one with Aqua Jet (just had to raise a Surskit for a while). The mother was that static encounter though, and incredibly she was Adamant on either the first or second try, so a quick Everstone and she produced the Wimpod I am now using.

I have to also sing the praises of Araquanid though, it did me well until I could get Golisopod and I honestly can't say which one I think looks cooler and they both seem very useful competitively (Araquanid as a supporter that can hit hard namely). Golisopod is probably better for adventuring in-game though thanks to its priority moves, but Araquanid can take a hit and dish out Water damage like nobody's business thanks to its priority moves.

In many ways seventh gen seems to be the Bug type generation, as every Bug line introduced is either good or at least usable. Vikavolt is the worst most likely, and even it hits incredibly hard and can overcome its Speed problem if given the chance to use even one Agility.
And the second is Gen VII's Heliolisk pretty much... but with an awesome typing (despite that x4 weakness to ground) and an ability that could potentially be broken.

It's gonna be a pain to get them since Wimpod has a crappy BST (it's Alolan Magikarp pretty much) and Salazzle is the new Vespiquen (trying to find a female modest Salandit will make me really salty)... But I hope it will end up being worthy...
The good news is that Salandit is a fairly common encounter in the grass patches it is found in. Getting a female with a good nature is indeed a problem though.

I have an interesting story about that to share actually. Namely that after trying for a good couple hours to catch a Modest or Timid female, I decided to save myself future trouble and just hunt down Synchronize Abras with the proper natures. Decided to get the four main natures one uses too, since it will be a while before I can import my Synchronize monsters from the previous region. A day and a half later I finally had ones that were Adamant, Modest, Jolly and Timid (talk about frustrating, must have caught a dozen Abras with the proper natures but the wrong ability).

So I head out to catch a Salandit, having decided that Timid would be the nature to go for. And the first female I catch not only fails to Synchronize but ends up being Modest. I couldn't deny that good fortune though so she joined the team. At this point though she hasn't learned many good moves, though her Dragon Rage and Firium-empowered Flame Bursts have proved useful.
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Up to this point I'm happy to say I've managed to keep my Moon play through mostly spoil free. I read your struggle of trying to get a Salandit and at first thought it was going to be a problem, which isn't the case. I heard about only females being able to evolve and thought I would only take about 5-10 minuets. I was wrong, and I'm understanding the frustration.

Every encounter so far is nothing but male, and at the moment I'm not worrying about natures. The only pokemon I've had problem catching was a Feebos, and I gave up until a later date. Any tips or tings I need to be aware of?



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DogKama wrote:The only pokemon I've had problem catching was a Feebos, and I gave up until a later date. Any tips or tings I need to be aware of?
According to Serebii they can only caught by fishing at Brooklet Hill, however the encounter rate normally is only 1% so you'll need some luck. However if you only fish in the places where the water ripples out (these create a different list of encounters and percentages from normal fishing) then that rate rises to 5%. Course to get a ripple to reappear after you have had an encounter from one you have to leave and re-enter the area. Also you can't approach a ripple too quickly or it will vanish.
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Perentie wrote:
DogKama wrote:The only pokemon I've had problem catching was a Feebos, and I gave up until a later date. Any tips or tings I need to be aware of?
According to Serebii they can only caught by fishing at Brooklet Hill, however the encounter rate normally is only 1% so you'll need some luck. However if you only fish in the places where the water ripples out (these create a different list of encounters and percentages from normal fishing) then that rate rises to 5%. Course to get a ripple to reappear after you have had an encounter from one you have to leave and re-enter the area. Also you can't approach a ripple too quickly or it will vanish.
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