Coc Monstergirl Design

[Shadow of Legend]

Okay, so far I've got a "skeleton". I've got a name, a few personality traits, and a basic outline of interactions with her. I haven't written her backstory yet, but right now I'm working on her, assuming I use the track-jogging Lizan from Fenoxo's suggestions in his blog post. I might also think up a version in which she's a completely separate character, and in doing so I might take certain liberties with her appearance, such as human face and legs, elf-like ears, etc.

Anyway, I'm operating right now on the assumption that she can only be a sexfriend. It's probably pretty obvious, but if possible, I'd like to make her a "waifu". It'd take a little work/time for me to post what I have so far here, since I'd have to touch up a few parts, but I'm planning on writing her backstory soon.

[Nyctos]

WIth appearance, I will point out that if you want her to have human legs, she can't be a native lizan; there are human-face granting TF items (golden seeds, mystic seeds, succubus milk, labova and incubus draft), and elven ears can come from goblin ale, but there are no TFing items that bestow human legs. So, if she doesn't have lizan legs, she would have to be either a lizard monstergirl from another plane, or a human who has only partially been TFed into a lizan.

[Shadow of Legend]

WIth appearance, I will point out that if you want her to have human legs, she can't be a native lizan; there are human-face granting TF items (golden seeds, mystic seeds, succubus milk, labova and incubus draft), and elven ears can come from goblin ale, but there are no TFing items that bestow human legs. So, if she doesn't have lizan legs, she would have to be either a lizard monstergirl from another plane, or a human who has only partially been TFed into a lizan.

I know. Were I to go that route, it'd have to be either a curious Lizan that found and ate one of the "face-humanizing" things or a human that was a bit too free with what she put in her mouth, which would make it a bit silly. The lizard monstergirl from another plane idea strikes me as venturing to far into possible Mary Sue territory, so I'm not going to risk it.

...I suppose it'd be plausible that, on her way from wherever in the desert to Tel'Adre, she got very thirsty, found a bottle of Succubus Milk and drank it out of desperation, which gave her a human face, and she later visited the bar, somehow got a hold of some Goblin Ale, drank it, thinking nothing would happen, and wound up with Elf ears. The question is, would I be allowed to use those changes on the Tel'Adre Gym Lizan?

[Nyctos]

Given that all that's said is that the Lizan at the gym is a lizan, I couldn't say. I do think it would probably attract few queries/complaints if you made it anthro, if that's the NPC you really want to do.

[Shadow of Legend]

Given that all that's said is that the Lizan at the gym is a lizan, I couldn't say. I do think it would probably attract few queries/complaints if you made it anthro, if that's the NPC you really want to do.

Attract "few" or "a few"? I ask because, being her "creator", I'd want her to be well-received, and I'd have to balance things between whether or not I want her to have a lizard/reptilian face and which would make her more likable, if it makes enough of a difference.

[Nyctos]

I meant "a few". Honestly, it's not that I believe the idea of a monster-girl styled lizard girl would be unpopular so much as taking an existing character, for whom the default assumption will be "anthro lizard", and MGifying her will probably attrract negative comments. So, yeah, either make your ideal lizan NPC from scratch, or make her an anthro, those are the suggestions I can recommend. Or we can leave off lizans entirely and use a different sort of monstergirl instead.

[Shadow of Legend]

I meant "a few". Honestly, it's not that I believe the idea of a monster-girl styled lizard girl would be unpopular so much as taking an existing character, for whom the default assumption will be "anthro lizard", and MGifying her will probably attrract negative comments. So, yeah, either make your ideal lizan NPC from scratch, or make her an anthro, those are the suggestions I can recommend. Or we can leave off lizans entirely and use a different sort of monstergirl instead.

Well, since I currently can't think of any other ways to add her to the game without it feeling "strange" or "forced", and since I'm fine with either (anthro lizard girl or MGified), I'll go with the anthro version. I guess I should assume that she'll look about like a Morrowind-style female Argonian, but with tits, right?

[Nyctos]

Knowing absolutely nothing about Morrowind, I can't say. All I can suggest is either making a test-run in the game to spam Reptilium on a female PC, or looking at the article on Reptilium on the CoC wiki.

[Shadow of Legend]

I've read the stuff, but to me, "toothy reptilian snout" doesn't tell me much, and the Character Viewer doesn't support enough things to properly show such a character. This should link to a pic that shows the before and after with female Argonians in Morrowind, "before" being the lower-quality-looking ones, "after" being what the mod does to improve their looks without changing anything major. So, basically that but with tits?

Anyway, here's what I've got:




(PC obviously means player character)

Name, height, traits, etc.:

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Name: Elizabeth "Lizzy" Fleetfoot

Height: 5'10"



Technically a virgin (has never had sex)
B-cup breasts
Strictly heterosexual (will not have sex with a PC that has a vagina; is very uncomfortable with the thought of her partner having a vagina)
Absolutely refuses to become a herm (can't stomach the thought of having any penises of her own)
Noticeably competitive
Fairly smart, claims to know Charge Weapon, Might, and Heal
Has blue eyes with elliptical pupils and silver scales
When asked how she evaded all the hostile beings in the desert, she'll reveal that she used a sand-colored cloak that one of her tribesmen got in a trade with a Sand Witch to help her hide/blend in

Background:

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She was a member of a desert Lizan tribe that, while camped one day, was attacked by demons. The adults, including her parents, fought the demons while the children ran away to safety. Being too young to help fight, she was among those who ran. She wandered the desert for a couple of days, then returned to their campsite, finding that some of her tribe had died in the demon raid, but had driven them off. The surviving tribe members had taken their tents and supplies with them, and she noticed that her parents' belongings were among those that were gone. She packed as much as she could safely carry from what was left behind and left, wandering the desert in search of her tribe, hoping to find her parents and let them know she was okay. As her supplies dwindled, she noticed a city in the distance and approached. Upon the guards' deeming her "pure enough" to enter, they let her in and she began wandering around the city, eventually finding the various shops. She sold what she could afford to at the pawn shop and used the money to get food and drink. Once "recovered", she began thinking about what she would do now. She decided that it was stupid if not suicidal to try venturing out into the desert again as she was, so she looked around the city for a paying job, eventually landing one at the gym, helping to put away the equipment and clean the place at the end of the day. She started out living in the gym, but soon bought her own somewhat small house in the city. After establishing herself in Tel'Adre, she practiced jogging and a little weight lifting, and studied a bit, learning a few magic spells along the way, eventually readying herself for a trip into the desert to find her tribe. She successfully found them, visited her parents, who were both fine and very glad to see her, and talked with them for a long while. Knowing that it would be incredibly foolish to give up the life she established in Tel'Adre, she and her parents agreed that she should return to it, so she did, bidding her proud parents farewell. She continued training at the gym, thinking that if she met one of those rumored "champions", she could join them in the fight to finally get rid of the demons and bring back the rain.

Racing, sex scenes, other stuff:

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If the PC decides to jog at the gym, she introduces herself and asks the PC if they want to race. If the PC declines, she says that she'll be there if the PC changes their mind. If the PC accepts, they race her. If the PC loses, she politely comments on their effort and suggests they train more. If a tie, she compliments them on their ability to keep up with her. If the PC wins, she is impressed by their speed and offers them one Reptilium. Female/herm/genderless PCs are then considered her friend and can jog with her for more Reptilium (one per win). Male PCs notice an "appraising glance", are offered one Reptilium, and are encouraged to race again. Regardless of gender or victory/loss in race, the PC has a friendly chat with her afterwards each time. She offers info about Lizans, including the bit about female Lizans offering unfertilized eggs to those they like/find attractive and wish to mate with, and she tells them about her background. After winning against her a few times, male PCs will be offered an egg to eat (said egg does nothing except maybe lower faigue slightly/restore a small amount of health). The PC will recall their earlier conversations and realize the meaning of the egg offering. If the PC declines, she is saddened/disappointed but will mention offering another egg later. If the PC tells her not to, she'll understand and the PC will be "friend-zoned", ending up with a relationship similar to what female characters get with her. If they don't say anything, the scene will repeat sometime later, giving another chance to accept her feelings. In either case, if the PC accepts, she'll tackle them, aggressively glomping them and knocking them to the ground in a joyful outburst. Upon realizing what she's done, she gets very embarrassed and apologizes. She then takes the PC to her house where they take turns showering off before having sex, the options being mutual masturbation, a tail-job while the PC rubs her vagina, 69, vaginal, anal, vaginal then anal (requires Libido of 40 or greater and only one penis), or (if the PC has two or more penises) double penetration. From then on, the PC can meet her at the gym and choose to either jog with her then go home with her and have sex, or simply go home with her and have sex.

Jogging/racing with her gives all the normal benefits/effects of ordinary jogging. To win the race, the PC must have a Speed stat of 60, or 50 if they have the Runner perk.

If a male PC has progressed enough to have sex with her and grows a vagina or becomes female and sees her, she'll notice it and apologize, refusing to have sex until they become male again. Female, herm, or genderless characters that become male will surprise her, and she'll agree to have sex with them if they've beaten her in enough races. She's fine with her man having breasts, but she'll tease him about it.

How is it? I intentionally chose the name Elizabeth so she could have the nickname Lizzy (or Liz, if that'd be better), which allows for the allusion to the fact that she's a lizard girl. As for her sexual preferences, I wanted her to, in a way, be a female counterpart to Raphael. If there are only 6 slots for sex scene choice buttons, then there will only be 5 scenes available unless the conditions for one of the other two are met. I'd imagine that 40 Libido would be enough to justify doing/being able to do her in the pussy, then the ass in the same session. Naturally, having two or more dicks will replace it with the double penetration option regardless of Libido.

If it'd be too difficult to make the Runner perk affect things, then drop that part, leaving the Speed stat requirement to win at 60.

Also, during 69, it might be worth it to mention how easily she takes/fellates the PC's dick if it's of "normal" (up to 8 inches?) size, thanks to her reptilian snout.

[Nyctos]

Really, the descriptions are left kind of vague on purpose, so you can imagine whatever you like best; if "Argonian with tits" is how you feel most comfortable, then go with that.

And how many sex scenes she has is up to you; a character can actually have up to 9.
Setting limits for those kinds of scenes is perfectly valid as well, she would hardly be the first to require something like that, and it's a lot more obvious than, say, needing both a penis and a demon tongue TF to penetrate Lilium's butt (don't ask, she's an omnibus).

The details you have for her all look very good to me; the only thing that needs changing is the bit about allying with a champion. You see, the demons get human victims from a lot of different portals - there are three or four supplying the Demon Factory dungeon alone, and the PC's portal is just one of them - and each portal has a different "backstory" to it. The PC is told they are being sent through as a champion, but that lie is unique to Ingnam's victims - in Yara's world, for example, people are told outright they are a sacrifice before being sent through. Furthermore, until the PC arrived, almost every human sent through a portal was captured by the demons.

In other words? Lizzy would never have even heard of human champions being sent to Mareth before she meets the player.

[Shadow of Legend]

Really, the descriptions are left kind of vague on purpose, so you can imagine whatever you like best; if "Argonian with tits" is how you feel most comfortable, then go with that.

And how many sex scenes she has is up to you; a character can actually have up to 9.
Setting limits for those kinds of scenes is perfectly valid as well, she would hardly be the first to require something like that, and it's a lot more obvious than, say, needing both a penis and a demon tongue TF to penetrate Lilium's butt (don't ask, she's an omnibus).

The details you have for her all look very good to me; the only thing that needs changing is the bit about allying with a champion. You see, the demons get human victims from a lot of different portals - there are three or four supplying the Demon Factory dungeon alone, and the PC's portal is just one of them - and each portal has a different "backstory" to it. The PC is told they are being sent through as a champion, but that lie is unique to Ingnam's victims - in Yara's world, for example, people are told outright they are a sacrifice before being sent through. Furthermore, until the PC arrived, almost every human sent through a portal was captured by the demons.

In other words? Lizzy would never have even heard of human champions being sent to Mareth before she meets the player.

So there wouldn't be any rumors floating around Tel'Adre about the so-called "champions"? If not, then yeah, we can go ahead and drop it and she learns about it during one of the PC's visits, maybe with different scenes depending on how far the PC has progressed in the main story. For example, if they haven't met Marae, maybe Lizzy can mention something she overheard about a strange island at the lake, or if they've closed the factory, they tell her and she's impressed, and if they've done the deep cave part, having learned that "unfortunate truth" from Zetaz, they tell her and she gets pissed, saying something like, "How could they do that to you!?"


I think I remember seeing a pic of the Argonians from Daggerfall, and they were just like the Morrowind ones, but the females had tits, though I'm not sure if I'm remembering correctly. Anyway, I'd hit it. EDIT: Nope, the Argonians in Daggerfall had human-like feet. Morrowind was the only game in which they had digitigrade reptilian feet.

Speaking of Lilium, was it ever explained why the PC has to have a demon tongue (aside from the obviously required penis) to have anal sex with her?


Another EDIT: Just to be clear, the mutual masturbation would be "PC rubs Lizzy's pussy while she strokes him off with her scaly hand", and the tail-job would have her use her tail (the tails of Lizans have been previously described as prehensile) to stroke the PC off while he rubs her pussy. Also, like I said earlier, if the PC's dick is 8 inches or under, she'll easily take the whole length into her mouth and there will be mention of how easily she can handle it due to her reptilian snout giving her a "longer" mouth in which to fit his manhood.

[Nyctos]

Yeah, there's no rumors floating around Tel'Adre about champions. Other then that, you've got a pretty good deal with her backstory/character.

I think Fenoxo may have some flags wrong for Lilium; as far as I know, being able to jerk her off with your demonic tongue while penetrating her ass was supposed to be extra, not a vital part of the scene.

But, anyway, Lizzy is basically ready for you to start writing. Do you need any help from me?

[Shadow of Legend]

Yeah, there's no rumors floating around Tel'Adre about champions. Other then that, you've got a pretty good deal with her backstory/character.

I think Fenoxo may have some flags wrong for Lilium; as far as I know, being able to jerk her off with your demonic tongue while penetrating her ass was supposed to be extra, not a vital part of the scene.

But, anyway, Lizzy is basically ready for you to start writing. Do you need any help from me?

I get to write her? Cool. I'll have to read the stuff on the Event Submissions page of Fenoxo's blog, but aside from that, is there any advice you can give?

[Nyctos]

When writing for CoC in general, the first thing to remember is that it's all present-tense second person perspective.

The second thing is this: Try to avoid being too direct about what the PC is like. Go for stuff like "You ask her what her name is" than actually writing "What's your name, sexy?"

When writing sex for CoC, it helps to remember that the PC can vary widely in sexual attributes; it's better to use things like "cockdescript" or "breastsdescript", to show it's supposed to key off of the "flags" for the PC's sexual attributes, then to make assumptions - that's the big problem with the submitted centauress follower.

[Shadow of Legend]

Just a heads-up; I haven't started on Lizzy yet, but I will. Things are hectic IRL right now, and it's leaving me unable to write stuff like this or continue my fic, but once things have calmed down, probably in another week or two, I'll get on it. Writing Lizzy (and my fic, for that matter) is a labor of love that I will not abandon.

[Nyctos]

Alright, I'll be looking forward to that, and I'll be happy to beta things for you.

Well, as ShadowOfLegend has basically used this topic to kickstart his own CoC submission... does anyone else want to try and start a CoC monstergirl with me?

[ShadowKnux372]

Well, there's always that old idea I had about a blind mole-girl.

If we can't make her a Tel'Adre patron, we could try to make a species, but that seems less viable.

[Shadow of Legend]

In a way I've caught a break, which allowed me to write the intro and part of the race stuff, but due to stressful shit and problems, I had to stop for now. Before I continue, whenever that ends up being, I need to confirm something. The showers at the Tel'Adre gym were unisex, right?

[Nyctos]

The gym showers are both unisex and co-ed; hell, you've probably never seen this, but the sex scenes for Cotton the horse-morph herm take place while the two of you are showering together.

[Shadow of Legend]

The gym showers are both unisex and co-ed; hell, you've probably never seen this, but the sex scenes for Cotton the horse-morph herm take place while the two of you are showering together.

Actually, I have. I just forgot if the showers were indeed unisex/co-ed. MY MEMORY SUCKS.